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Thread: Motive Retro Review: 1993-1995 Mazda RX-7

  1. 08-14-2007 12:39 AM #1

    In a world of progressively swelling curb weights, Mazda's RX-7 was a rare and welcome anomaly. Penned by Miata designer Tom Matano and built with such an excruciating eye toward weight reduction that its wiring harnesses were redesigned to shorten the wire lengths, the third generation RX-7 - sold here from 1993 to 1995 - held the distinction of being not only lighter, but also smaller and faster than the car it replaced.

    The RX-7 also stands as a sterling example of why enthusiasts make lousy focus groups. "Give us something purpose-built," they said. "Give us something without extraneous gingerbread. Give us a pared-down, track-ready street car and, by God, give us something that takes skill to drive!" Full Story...


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    08-14-2007 12:54 AM #2
    Quote, originally posted by features@motivemag »
    That so many people fondly reminisce about the RX-7 is a testament to selective memory: Everyone remembers its chest-knotting performance but forgets that Mazda couldn't give them away. Sales in 1993 were a meager 9477 units, and they nose-dived to 500 by 1995.

    I remember that, but I remember wanting one anyway. I decided not to get one as my first car because I knew I wouldn't be able to take advantage of the handling. Hopefully I'll be able to buy a mint RX-7 T1 (??) someday.....if not, I'll go even further and get an Atom.

    Wasn't this the car with hollow fiber carpeting? It was either the RX-7 or the last-gen Supra.

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    08-14-2007 12:59 AM #3
    Awesome read.

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    08-14-2007 01:10 AM #4
    Quote, originally posted by leaftye »

    Wasn't this the car with hollow fiber carpeting? It was either the RX-7 or the last-gen Supra.

    Last generation Supra had hollow carpeting, not sure if the RX-7 does as well.

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    08-14-2007 01:26 AM #5
    Great article
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  6. 08-14-2007 04:31 AM #6
    Did they just flip a right-hand drive picture for the last picture of the article?

    I loved my rx-7.


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    08-14-2007 05:21 AM #7
    Awesome article.

    When I was younger my friends brother owned an RX-7, I never realized it was such a monster.


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    08-14-2007 06:59 AM #8
    Appreciate the walk down memory lane. TWIN TURBO!

    Have always loved those. Withe the exception of the rear hatch speaker base tube BS (totally in the way) it was damn near perfect IMHO. We need a pic of the pedals.

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  9. 08-14-2007 08:16 AM #9
    Quote, originally posted by neokai v2.0 »
    Did they just flip a right-hand drive picture for the last picture of the article?

    Yes, I did. Unfortunately, Mazda North America didn't keep any of their press photography for cars that old, and the examples I found were all too rough, too modified, or too dirty to be photographed.


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    08-14-2007 08:18 AM #10
    So damned beautiful. What a car.

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    08-14-2007 08:18 AM #11
    Quote, originally posted by Tigerincarolina »
    We need a pic of the pedals.

    That's one aspect the article didn't mention... if you have feet larger than size 11 or so, forget about wearing normal shoes.

    IMO the article exaggerates the hardcore nature of the car a bit. I did a 650-mile round trip in my brother's 3rd gen in a weekend once. It certainly wasn't a car to relax or stretch out in, and the combination of the ride and seats did get uncomfortable after a couple of hours, but I didn't feel like I had been through an S&M session or anything after the trip. At the end of the day, the fun factor went a long way to overriding any comfort issues. My bro's was putting ~280HP to the wheels, which I guess further influenced that equation.


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    08-14-2007 08:22 AM #12
    These cars have, if nothing else, the sexiest door cutline of any mass-production car of the last 30 years, IMO.

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    08-14-2007 09:01 AM #13
    Nice article...one of my favorite cars from the 90's that isn't considered a supercar. They've aged so well and even today it's a treat to see them on the road.
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    08-14-2007 09:29 AM #14
    A great read about my favorite sports car. A clean example is going to find it's way into my driveway as soon as possible. <3

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    08-14-2007 09:41 AM #15
    Quote, originally posted by vwlarry »
    These cars have, if nothing else, the sexiest door cutline of any mass-production car of the last 30 years, IMO.

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  16. 08-14-2007 10:48 AM #16
    I hated the way they designed the rear end on these. That said, EVERYthing else was perfection on wheels. It looked like someone took the skin, pulled it as tight as possible, then hooked the excess to a hydraulic ram and pulled it even tighter.

    Ditto on the door cutline. Wow...it looks great even today.


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    08-14-2007 10:53 AM #17
    Quote, originally posted by Download_Complete »
    I hated the way they designed the rear end on these. That said, EVERYthing else was perfection on wheels. It looked like someone took the skin, pulled it as tight as possible, then hooked the excess to a hydraulic ram and pulled it even tighter.

    Ditto on the door cutline. Wow...it looks great even today.


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  19. 08-14-2007 11:00 AM #19
    Well done, Wes, and positive proof that Motive is much more than a bunch pf pretty pictures and a slick layout

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    08-14-2007 11:08 AM #20
    Excellent read - it just reinforces how impressed I am with Motive.
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  21. 08-14-2007 11:12 AM #21
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    The RX-7 also came with a roadgoing version of the Bose Acoustic Wave radio. With nine feet of six-inch-diameter plastic intestines snaking around the rear cargo hold as a sounding tube for the subwoofer, this audio set up is best known for blocking access to the spare tire, with the side effect of producing a tangibly small quantity of bass.

    My '92 Celica All-Trac with the OEM "System 10" 10-speaker audio had this too, if I recall. I could not understand why taking up MORE space inside a crowded little expensive car was somehow a better idea than just putting an actual subwoofer in.

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    08-14-2007 11:14 AM #22
    This car was fantastic. I can't fit inside (too tall, steering wheel doesnt move)
    but WHAT a beautiful car and so light.

    Great article!!


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    08-14-2007 11:28 AM #23
    Quote, originally posted by Mike@TripleZoom »
    Nice article...one of my favorite cars from the 90's that isn't considered a supercar. They've aged so well and even today it's a treat to see them on the road.
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    08-14-2007 11:55 AM #24
    I wish they could be made reliable daily drivers

  25. 08-14-2007 12:04 PM #25
    Awesome article, and I guess I am skewed. I think my RX-7 has the best ride of the 4 cars I drive.

  26. 08-14-2007 12:34 PM #26
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    Mazda managed to move fewer than 14,000 examples - nearly as many F355s as Ferrari delivered with a dealer body 1/20th the size.

    Wow, that's an amazing stat. I've seen a lot more RX-7s than 355s though.

    Also, how harsh was the ride in the RX-7 as compared to a current gen STi? Both are apparently notorious for having harsh rides.


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    08-14-2007 12:37 PM #27
    Agree . RX-7 is simply the best sport car design out of Japan, IMO.

  28. 08-14-2007 12:41 PM #28
    Fantastic article! I love Motivemag.

    Who knew that Mazda sold less than 15,000 RX-7s?


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    08-14-2007 12:46 PM #29
    Quote, originally posted by Rukh »
    Excellent read - it just reinforces how impressed I am with Motive.

    Honestly, I could give two craps about Lambos and Ferraris that I'm not likely to ever own or drive. But these types of articles..."Retro Reviews," that just makes my day

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  30. 08-14-2007 12:47 PM #30
    Only 10k supras. They were close to $55k though

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    08-14-2007 12:48 PM #31
    Quote, originally posted by turbo_nine »

    My '92 Celica All-Trac with the OEM "System 10" 10-speaker audio had this too, if I recall. I could not understand why taking up MORE space inside a crowded little expensive car was somehow a better idea than just putting an actual subwoofer in.

    I had a 1990 Celica GTS with the System 10 and it didn't have anything like that. An 8" subwoofer was mounted in each door.


  32. 08-14-2007 01:11 PM #32
    Quote, originally posted by turbo_nine »
    I could not understand why taking up MORE space inside a crowded little expensive car was somehow a better idea than just putting an actual subwoofer in.

    At the time, it was pretty much tech for tech's sake. The Wave Radio came out the same year as the first FDs, Paul Harvey was touting them mercilessly in that stilted, punctuated way he has, and it just seemed natural that the most advanced car in Mazda's lineup should have the latest, greatest "breakthrough" - notice the quotes - in sound reproduction.

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  33. 08-14-2007 01:15 PM #33
    Quote, originally posted by Wes@motivemag »

    Remember, this is the company that gave us oscillating dash vents and a 1.8-liter V6.

    One of these features were cool. The other one was a cheap motel gimmick.


  34. 08-14-2007 01:18 PM #34
    Quote, originally posted by Download_Complete »

    One of these features were cool. The other one was a cheap motel gimmick.

    Hey, a 1.8l V6-powered vibrating bed is NOT cheap.

    Oscillating vents were kinda nice...

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    08-14-2007 01:29 PM #35
    I always thought these looked like mini Corvettes

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