Quote, originally posted by OoTLink » Isn't that a eurovan? more like the new doge minivans
#107
Quote, originally posted by OoTLink » Isn't that a eurovan? more like the new doge minivans
#108
*yawn*, I think this is gonna fall into the who cares category. With our first little one on the way, I've mentioned to the wifey we need a minivan. She flat out tells me no every time! We're eyeing the Tiggy now in a couple of years when my lease is due.
'09 VW Routan S
'10 VW Jetta Sportwagon S
#109
Quote, originally posted by jamie@vwvortex » You guys are way too gullible - that's a honda odyssey in the photo... You are an evil, evil woman.
It just dawned on me- if VW puts a turbo'ed motor in this, would Matt Train buy one?
#110
Quote, originally posted by DeeJoker » It just dawned on me- if VW puts a turbo'ed motor in this, would Matt Train buy one? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*thud*OUCH*HAHAHAHAHA! (I just hurt myself...)
--Chris
Originally Posted by Porridgehead
#111
Quote, originally posted by Goldar’s VW » So a Chrysler with a VW logo will suddenly have "soul" because of said logo? Hmm.
It was a joke, hence the
#112
Dear VWoA you have
This in other market
and this
then this oneBut based on this one with VW badge for U.S?
WOW now your doing it wrong
Modified by kenstoy at 12:52 AM 2-2-2008
#113
Quote, originally posted by kenstoy » Dear VWoA you have
This in other market
and this
then this oneBut based on this one with VW badge for U.S?
WOW now your doing it wrongUuuggghhh,here we go again.
The last Eurovan sold like hot cakes didn't it?! Yeah, let's bring a newer, more expensive version. That'll make sense.
Touran. Boy, those Mazda5s are just flying off the lots. Aren't they.........
Golf Plus. The Rabbit sells maybe 30K a year. What would you possibly think a taller, uglier, more expensive version would do for sales? This isn't rocket science.
What VW needs is a 7-seater. While CUVs are the hot-ticket right now, Chrysler still sells over 100K of these a year. No, VW won't match that. But, since most of the engineering, and all of the assembly, is done here in NA, this thing will actually help them MAKE money as opposed to losing it, like they currently do.
Regardless of what everyone here thinks, this van is actually a very smart move on their part. Its just unfortunate that the market is starting to slow down.
And for all you Voyager haters, trust me, the VW version actually looks really good. I still can't believe I'm saying that about a van, but it does.
Modified by turbo20v18 at 1:00 AM 2-2-2008
#114
The Eurovan is a proven failure, the failure of the Mazda5 is a good indicator the Touran would not fly here either and the Golf Plus is a Golf...plus, i.e., a puffed-up compact car not suitable for competing in the minivan market.The Chrysler vans are the best-selling on the market and they are solid vehicles.
I love the paranoia lollapalooza. I hate the paranoia lollapalooza.
#115
I'll be straight up; I'm not wearing any pants right now.And that's exactly what's gonna happen to the minivan market come next week in Chicago. Caught with their pants down.
Jamie is neither man nor woman.
;D
#116
Quote, originally posted by FBMphil » I'll be straight up; I'm not wearing any pants right now. And that's exactly what's gonna happen to the minivan market come next week in Chicago. Caught with their pants down.
Jamie is neither man nor woman.
Well, if he/she follows your example, we'll soon find out for sure!
Ron a.k.a. Arsigi
Spokane's Most Posted
#117
I am simply kidding.Minivan markets aren't capable of wearing pants.
I'm wearing a kilt anywas.
;D
#120
Alternate people are so predictable, why wear a kilt when you can wear a tunic or a toga or uh.. shorts? They're still not pants!Or a really long shirt. Some women think they can get away with it haha.
I'll stick with pants.
#121
I forgot why I came to post here!
versus:
Modified by OoTLink at 11:56 PM 2-1-2008
Modified by OoTLink at 12:05 AM 2-2-2008
#122
Quote, originally posted by turbo20v18 » Regardless of what everyone here thinks, this van is actually a very smart move on their part. I agree. VW will not lose money on this one, and it will draw customers into their dealerships --- which is what they desperately need to sell some of their truly great cars.
VW has a different positioning than many other manufacturers, but most potential buyers do not realize that VWs and Audis, besides being reasonably good handlers and long-distance rides and 'feeling just right' for the driver, occupy basically all the top spots in the IIHS loss rates (i.e., low losses with regard to life, injury, cost of fixing the car, or theft). MiniVan buyers usually are on a budget and have kids and worry about such things, or can be made to do so.
VW needs that additional traffic into their dealerships.
#123
Anybody care for dessert?There might just be a whole 'lota people on the verge of, at the very least, tasting a little, itty bitty piece of ........"Humble Pie."
"They" might not eat the pie, but ther're gonna look at the pie...... and more than like taste the pie. Hell, they might even eat a slice of the pie. Who knows..........they might even lease 40% of the pie.
Modified by jsmyle1%@vw at 8:20 AM 2-2-2008
#124
for producing crashworthy vehicles, their minivans have been @ the bottom of the pile, and their transmissions are nothing to be desired.http://www.iihs.org/ratings/ea...ss=80
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/summary.aspx?class=80
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/ra...d=489
Modified by 610looper at 1:03 PM 2-2-2008
#125
Quote, originally posted by 610looper » for producing crashworthy vehicles, their minivans have been @ the bottom of the pile, and their transmissions are nothing to be desired. "Acceptable" is not the bottom of the pile and that data is irrelevant to the new vans anyway.
I love the paranoia lollapalooza. I hate the paranoia lollapalooza.
#126
Chrysler builds diesel minivans for export don't they?I remember seeing a previous generation Chrysler or Dodge minivan in Europe with a diesel and a manual.
It looked exactly like our minivan except RHD, diesel and a gearshift/ clutch pedal.
#127
Out of curiosity I hit the Chrysler UK website, Chrysler makes a Grand Voyager Diesel, it doesn't look like it's available with a manual anymore:Grand Voyager 2.8 CRD LX (Auto)
Price. £25,995 OTRThe combination of the new 2.8-litre CRD engine and automatic transmission is a first for the Chrysler Voyager. In the combined cycle, returns 28.9 mpg, and CO2 figures of 225 g/km. Combined with Stow n Go seating, dual zone air conditioning, 10 speaker CD stereo system and 3-row side-curtain airbags.
Cubic Capacity 2776 cc
Configuration 4 cylinders in-line, DOHC 16 valve
Bore x Stroke 94.0 x 100.0 mm
Compression Ratio 17.5:1
Fuel Delivery Common rail, direct electronic injection
Maximum torque 265 lb ft @ 2100 rpm
Maximum power 150 bhp @ 3800 rpm
Gearbox 4-speed automatic12V power outlets (2 on instrument panel, 1 in cargo area) Std.
Cargo cover (dual position) Std.
Central locking with remote operation Std.
Cigar lighter Std.
Dual Zone Climate Control and odour/particulate air filter (with supplemental heater on CRD) Std.
Electric rear quarter vents Std.
Electric windows (one-touch-down on driver's side) Std.
Height adjustable steering wheel Std.
Leather wrapped steering wheel Std.
Lumbar support on driver's seat Std.
Map pocket on back of driver's seat Std.
Overhead console with trip computer and vehicle information centre Std.
Power adjustable driver's seat (8-way) Std.
Power steering Std.
Speed control Std.
Storage drawer under front-passenger seat Std.
Sun visors with illuminated mirror Std.
Walnut Burr effect centre console Std.Three years of maintenance is standard too.
Modified by badb5 at 8:57 AM 2-2-2008
#128
Quote, originally posted by FBMphil » I'll be straight up; I'm not wearing any pants right now.
Whew. Glad I'm not alone. Except I kind of wish I was.
#129
so...it'll have hte 1.8t
i really really really hope vw knows what they're doin here...partnering with chrysler and all..
#131
Quote, originally posted by jsmyle1%@vw » Anybody care for dessert? There might just be a whole 'lota people on the verge of, at the very least, tasting a little, itty bitty piece of ........"Humble Pie."
"They" might not eat the pie, but ther're gonna look at the pie...... and more than like taste the pie. Hell, they might even eat a slice of the pie. Who knows..........they might even lease 40% of the pie.
Modified by jsmyle1%@vw at 8:20 AM 2-2-2008No, but there are some of out there that realize this is a smart business move.
Do I like minivans? F no.
Would I buy a minivan? F no.
Would I rather see some kind of small Scion-sized Microbus? F yes.
But, what VW desparately needs is a low-cost model (to produce), in a popular segment they don't compete it, to drive showroom traffic. I used to work for an OEM. Marketing research for most car companies shows that people come to a dealer to see one kind of model, and usually drive off in another.
While the example may be extreme in this case, look at the Beetle. Jetta and Passat sales went through the roof when it came out. Coincedence?
While the Routan won't bring the showrrom traffic the Beetle did, it WILL drive traffic.
I may come off sounding like a fanboi (believe me, I'm not), but the van does look good. Can't ignore that fact. Didn't see the interior, but the exterior was very sharp. In fact, it may be the best looking VW in the line-up.
Modified by turbo20v18 at 2:29 PM 2-2-2008
#132
turbo20v18,Well said....
You made me add my wife's car to my profile.
We will be in the market for another minivan at the end of this year. Hopefully, it will be a Routan......
4 days 'til the real pictures....of which Jamie already has a bunch!!
#133
Who chooses these VW names? They all sound like extinct mammals..Amazing, so many here crucify Chrysler then cheer for a VW rebadge.....
I come to TCL for all my auto, dating and financial advice.
#134
Quote, originally posted by classicjetta » Yes, it'll have a HEMI.
#135
We must remember now that even though that it is a chrysler it does contain a Daimler parts
#136
Quote, originally posted by dat dude » We must remember now that even though that it is a chrysler it does contain a Daimler parts Chrysler parts + Daimler parts + VW parts = epic fail
#137
Quote, originally posted by VarianceVQ » The Eurovan is a proven failure, the failure of the Mazda5 is a good indicator the Touran would not fly here either and the Golf Plus is a Golf...plus, i.e., a puffed-up compact car not suitable for competing in the minivan market. The Chrysler vans are the best-selling on the market and they are solid vehicles.
After renting a Touran in Germany for a month I could tell you 4 or 5 people who would snatch up a Toruan in a heart beat, including myself. I dont think comparing it to the Mazda5 is a good comparison. That thing is ulgy. Thats why it dont sell.
#138
Quote, originally posted by B_TitusJr » After renting a Touran in Germany for a month I could tell you 4 or 5 people who would snatch up a Toruan in a heart beat, including myself. I dont think comparing it to the Mazda5 is a good comparison. That thing is ulgy. Thats why it dont sell.
Mazda5 doesn't sell because of the lack of marketing. I don't even remember the last time the name "Mazda5" was mentioned in a Mazda ad.
The Kia Rondo is hideous, and that thing sells fine because Kia actually advertises it.
#139
I'm sorry but total honestly is REQUIRED here. This Chrysler minivan is not going to sell as a slighty modified VW.I don't see the logic in this product. At all.
Plenty of other segments where VW NEEDS to be in the US and this is NOT ONE OF THEM.
Yet another case of poor decision making on the part of VW.
#140
Quote, originally posted by cricketchirp » I'm sorry but total honestly is REQUIRED here. This Chrysler minivan is not going to sell as a slighty modified VW..... Please explain why....
Quote, originally posted by cricketchirp » ....Plenty of other segments where VW NEEDS to be in the US..... Agreed.
Quote, originally posted by cricketchirp » ....Yet another case of poor decision making on the part of VW. Waaaaaaaay too early to say.
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