Meh, thats what warranties are for.
#1
I was perusing nasioc.com last night and came upon this thread: http://forums.nasioc.com/forum...48372. As of last week there were 15 confirmed failures just from the website, some of whom had suffered two engine failures. If you recall (no pun intended) there was a stop sale on 2008 2.5l turbos: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/0...bod-2/.So far, no official response from SOA on the 2009s.
EDIT: So far, all build dates for aforesaid engines are June-August, 2008.
Modified by stevehecht at 5:54 PM 1-24-2009
Modified by stevehecht at 6:02 PM 1-24-2009
#3
Quote, originally posted by MrBadwrench » Meh, thats what warranties are for. you don't want that to happen to your car if you have bolt-on modifications and a reflash. in that case, you will likely be given a very hard time, despite the failure being completely unrelated to your otherwise run-of-the-mill modifications. with a car like the WRX, this scenario is not uncommon, so this is pretty scary.
#4
Ok, so the point of this thread is what? To spread rumours around as much as possible? 15 confirmed cases? Out of how many engines?
#5
Quote, originally posted by GiacGtiAgain » you don't want that to happen to your car if you have bolt-on modifications and a reflash. in that case, you will likely be given a very hard time, despite the failure being completely unrelated to your otherwise run-of-the-mill modifications. with a car like the WRX, this scenario is not uncommon, so this is pretty scary.
Exactly.
#6
Quote, originally posted by RedRabidRabbit » Ok, so the point of this thread is what? To spread rumours around as much as possible? 15 confirmed cases? Out of how many engines?
The point of the thread is to make people aware that there has been a problem with a certain batch of Subie 2.5T engines. The issue is serious enough to be acknowledged by Subaru.Is that not a good enough read for the thread?
-Lik
#7
Quote, originally posted by RedRabidRabbit » Ok, so the point of this thread is what? To spread rumours around as much as possible? 15 confirmed cases? Out of how many engines?
i have seen enough of these to know that this is not purely anecdotal. STI's are having similar failures, and 2008 STIs often won't even run correctly without a dealer provided reflash because of an error in the ECU from the factory. there is a clear problem here, and it needs to be addressed. And with subaru's continued success even in these poor economic times, I think they are more then capable of doing the right thing.
#8
Quote, originally posted by GiacGtiAgain » you don't want that to happen to your car if you have bolt-on modifications and a reflash. in that case, you will likely be given a very hard time, despite the failure being completely unrelated to your otherwise run-of-the-mill modifications. with a car like the WRX, this scenario is not uncommon, so this is pretty scary.
So, don't mod your engine and drive your car like a raped ape?
I'll keep it in mind.
Stupid thread.
#9
Quote, originally posted by lojasmo » So, don't mod your engine and drive your car like a raped ape?
I'll keep it in mind.
Stupid thread.
Because that's the mindset of your average WRX/STI driver, right?
I know two A-Stock STI owners who have traded their junk back in. Buy 07 and earlier if you want a good Subaru.
#10
Quote, originally posted by DIAF » Because that's the mindset of your average WRX/STI driver, right?
I know two A-Stock STI owners who have traded their junk back in. Buy 07 and earlier if you want a good Subaru.
Quote » Meh, that's what warranties are for
Quote » blah, blah, blah mods modded engines are driven hard. If you mod your engine, and it breaks, you are screwed. Ergo, don't mod your engine, and if it breaks it is covered under warranty.
#11
Quote, originally posted by lojasmo » modded engines are driven hard. If you mod your engine, and it breaks, you are screwed. Ergo, don't mod your engine, and if it breaks it is covered under warranty.
But the dealer can still claim the parts show "signs" of abuse, and don't even post on the net about performance driving (street or strip) lest somebody gives them the link.
But yeah- all new cars can have issues. They are a loosely fitting bunch of 20,000 parts. I've never understood why people by new cars and then (warranty voiding) mod them. But if you can afford non warranty covered repairs, then have at it.
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Quote, originally posted by lojasmo »
modded engines are driven hard. If you mod your engine, and it breaks, you are screwed. Ergo, don't mod your engine, and if it breaks it is covered under warranty.
Problem is, some dealers are @*#$@(# ridiculous in that they'll refuse warranty work on your engine when you swapped in a set of coilovers. It's like, wtf do the coilovers have to do with the engine?!-Lik
#13
Quote, originally posted by lojasmo » modded engines are driven hard. If you mod your engine, and it breaks, you are screwed. Ergo, don't mod your engine, and if it breaks it is covered under warranty.
they shouldn't break with minimal mods. they haven;t for years, so breaking now indicates something has happened in production that is hurting the integrity of these engines.
also, like stated before, there have also been a number of bone stock STI's needing engine rebuilds.
#14
Quote, originally posted by BRealistic » But the dealer can still claim the parts show "signs" of abuse, and don't even post on the net about performance driving (street or strip) lest somebody gives them the link.
But yeah- all new cars can have issues. They are a loosely fitting bunch of 20,000 parts. I've never understood why people by new cars and then (warranty voiding) mod them. But if you can afford non warranty covered repairs, then have at it.
i do agree with this as well. this is why i bought my subaru well out of warranty, despite being a 2006. buying new is already a questionable activity when you factor in depreciation. add to that warranty-voiding activities, and then buying a new car seems really really dumb.
#15
Quote, originally posted by lojasmo » modded engines are driven hard. If you mod your engine, and it breaks, you are screwed. Ergo, don't mod your engine, and if it breaks it is covered under warranty.
Except in the case of VWs, then, whether or not the engine is modded, and whether or not it is driven hard, it will break, and the dealer will refuse to fix it under warranty.
#16
Quote, originally posted by GiacGtiAgain »
also, like stated before, there have also been a number of bone stock STI's needing engine rebuilds.A few shouldn't show an issue- even the most reliable vehicle model/years according to Consumer Reports have a certain percentage of very premature engine failures.
But if it's a trend among existing car owners and due to a known part/design issue instead of the law of averages, then that is a concern.
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Quote, originally posted by BRealistic » A few shouldn't show an issue- even the most reliable vehicle model/years according to Consumer Reports have a certain percentage of very premature engine failures.
But if it's a trend among existing car owners and due to a known part/design issue instead of the law of averages, then that is a concern.
I don't care what the pharmaceutical companies say, premature engine failure IS NOT a common problem.
#18
Quote, originally posted by BRealistic » A few shouldn't show an issue- even the most reliable vehicle model/years according to Consumer Reports have a certain percentage of very premature engine failures.
But if it's a trend among existing car owners and due to a known part/design issue instead of the law of averages, then that is a concern.
it seems to be cracked ringlands usually. it usually makes itself known by copious gray/blue oil-burning smoke out of the exhaust, prior to any obvious changes in performance or idle.
#19
FYI: Summary review of the recent WRX/STI engine problems: http://www.stiblog.com/news/20...ilure/
#20
Quote, originally posted by lojasmo » modded engines are driven hard. If you mod your engine, and it breaks, you are screwed. Ergo, don't mod your engine, and if it breaks it is covered under warranty.
Oh shut the hell up. The point of this is, Subaru has a problem, but you stand to lose your ass if you've put an intake and exhaust on the car even if the failure is unrelated.
Here's a better idea, if you want to go fast, don't buy a Subaru right now. How well do you think that will work for their future sales of a car that is aimed RIGHT at the performance enthusiast.
#21
Subaru has gone down the ****ter with engine reliability of their high performance 2.5's after 2006. I would not trust buying anything high performance oriented after 2006 from Subaru.
Seems like the more ugly their cars get, the more unreliable they do also.
#22
If this was happening to VWs everyone would be going crazy saying how they are junk.
But since they are godly japanese Subaru's people say they are "rumors" and "thats what warranties are for"
#23
Quote, originally posted by RedRabidRabbit » Ok, so the point of this thread is what? To spread rumours around as much as possible? 15 confirmed cases? Out of how many engines?
It's not "rumor" when Subaru puts a stop sale on a product.
#24
Quote, originally posted by kDawgg » If this was happening to VWs everyone would be going crazy saying how they are junk.
But since they are godly japanese Subaru's people say they are "rumors" and "thats what warranties are for"
Maybe the history of both companies has something to do with the lack of a knee-jerk reaction? Subarus are known for having stout engines. Until a major trend in unreliability reaches the level that we have all seen with VW over the years, then Suby owners will not bite. They have no reason to.
" originally posted by patrikman »
this isn't Russia genious."
#25
If this was the Cobalt, we'd have a 4000 page thread about how bad GM sucks.
#26
Quote, originally posted by Matt D. » Maybe the history of both companies has something to do with the lack of a knee-jerk reaction? Subarus are known for having stout engines. Until a major trend in unreliability reaches the level that we have all seen with VW over the years, then Suby owners will not bite. They have no reason to.
If we're talking engines, I would argue that VW engines are just as stout/overbuilt/bulletproof as any japanese make. Window regulators are a different story.
#27
Quote, originally posted by SleeperPassat » If this was the Cobalt, we'd have a 4000 page thread about how bad GM sucks. WRX's certainly is not a Cobalt and Subaru is DEFINITELY NOT GM
#28
Quote, originally posted by MFactor » WRX's certainly is not a Cobalt and Subaru is DEFINITELY NOT GM
You just proved his point.
When was the last time you heard about GM having a rash of engine failures?
#29
Quote, originally posted by justanotherusername » You just proved his point.
When was the last time you heard about GM having a rash of engine failures?
You missed his point. He was smugly saying how Subaru's are superior.
" originally posted by patrikman »
this isn't Russia genious."
#30
Quote, originally posted by Matt D. » You missed his point. He was smugly saying how Subaru's are superior.
That's what I was talking about.
If it were GM screwing up, people would be all over it. Subaru gets a pass from people like him.
#31
Quote, originally posted by MrBadwrench » Meh, thats what warranties are for. Exactly! While it may be a bit of a PITA to break down, have to drive a loan car etc, it's hardly the end of the world.
#32
Quote, originally posted by justanotherusername » That's what I was talking about.
If it were GM screwing up, people would be all over it. Subaru gets a pass from people like him.
No. He was saying that there is no mistaking a Subaru for a GM for obvious reasons. And this reasoning is favorable to Subaru.
" originally posted by patrikman »
this isn't Russia genious."
#33
Quote, originally posted by Matt D. » No. He was saying that there is no mistaking a Subaru for a GM for obvious reasons. And this reasoning is favorable to Subaru.
So are you saying you think Subarus are superior as well?
#34
Quote, originally posted by Super 180s » Exactly! While it may be a bit of a PITA to break down, have to drive a loan car etc, it's hardly the end of the world.
seriously? why pay for a car that you can't even drive? let alone being a part of a mass recall when every dealer is trying to order the same parts, therefore they're now unavailable/backordered.
hopefully subaru figures this out. as soon as i can, i'm in the market for an sti.
#35
Quote, originally posted by justanotherusername » So are you saying you think Subarus are superior as well?
Why, yes! Duh!
" originally posted by patrikman »
this isn't Russia genious."
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