AUX or iPod?

[SpiderX1016]

I tried searching but I never really find the stuff I need through this site's search engine.

I have a MFD2 Navi and a 6cd changer under the arm rest. I also have Sirius radio that I use.
I'm willing to sacrifice the 6 cd changer and maybe the Sirius if it's necessary.

What do I need to buy so I can use my iPhone for music?

[GTi71184]

there should be a AUX outlet in your glove box in top right........Quality isn't always the best with aux though.

["01GTiVR6"]

Why not get rid of the cd changer and get an Ipod adapter, that way it will charge your Iphone when you use it.

[SpiderX1016]

Quote, originally posted by "01GTiVR6" »

Why not get rid of the cd changer and get an Ipod adapter, that way it will charge your Iphone when you use it.

Where could I get one?

Quote, originally posted by GTi71184 »

there should be a AUX outlet in your glove box in top right........Quality isn't always the best with aux though.

Mine doesn't have any AUX input anywhere,

[oidoglr]

What year is your MkV? 07's and on should have a small aux input in the glovebox. I'd rather have the light, myself. Didn't even see the AUX until recently, spent $ on the iPod adapter from VW.

[JetTurbo]

Quote, originally posted by SpiderX1016 »

I tried searching but I never really find the stuff I need through this site's search engine. I have a MFD2 Navi and a 6cd changer under the arm rest. I also have Sirius radio that I use. I'm willing to sacrifice the 6 cd changer and maybe the Sirius if it's necessary. What do I need to buy so I can use my iPhone for music?

The MFD2 DVD navigation will accommodate both an aux input and
a 6 disc CD changer or iPod dock.
Unlike the Premium 7, which can have either aux or iPod (but not both),
the MFD2 DVD has more inputs than the Premium 7.

To add an aux to MFD2 DVD is inexpensive - VW part number
000-051-444-M - aux cable for DVD navigation head unit

Swapping your existing six disc CD changer for a VW 1K0.857.925.B iPod dock is very easy - 5 minute task tops,
completely plug and play, but
I have no idea how compatible (if at all) the dock and the iPhone will be, Aux may be the safe bet

[b0mb3r]

if will that work with the premium 7?

[sabre66]

I have the Premium VII with both an AUX input in the console and the Prem Ipod Adaptor (white cable) from the back of head unit into the glove box.

There is also the console Ipod adaptor (shown in post above) which cancels the AUX input inside the console. Check with your dealer about the Prem Ipod Cable that plugs into back of your stereo, it should run about $150 - $199.

I don't have an Ipod so i haven't used it yet and can't comment on the sound quality though. I do have a Samsung unit and it works fine via the AUX (other than having to control it maunally).

[SpiderX1016]

hmm, that Aux cable is pretty cheap. I think I may have to order one. Instructions are a plus.

[JetTurbo]

Quote, originally posted by b0mb3r »

if will that work with the premium 7?

Pretty sure there is a post in the MkV Forum FAQ and DIY Thread on how to use the nav aux kit it with the Premium 7. It is the same cable, but it connects to a different connector available only on a US nav.
However, I would not be surprised if the EU nav install instructions are also valid for the Premium 7 too.
They are completely different than the US nav install instructions and use the same connector a Premium 7 would use for adding an aux. Both EU and US nav install instructions are included in the kit.
That is why both the EU and US connector are included too.

[SpiderX1016]

Does the aux cable interfere with the Sirius Sat?

[JetTurbo]

Quote, originally posted by SpiderX1016 »

Does the aux cable interfere with the Sirius Sat?

It shouldn't, although I have seen posts where the Sat input is used for aux.
The Premium 7 has an input that accommodates either the iPod adaptor (CD Changer) or Aux (not both).
It is selected by hitting the CD button a second time.
Satellite should be unaffected.

[SpiderX1016]

Thanks for all the help man. I'll be ordering the AUX cable soon.

Now to see if there are DIY guides out already.

[Wborolb88]

I wasn't able to figure out how to add an aux adapter in place of the CD changer, that's what I was hoping to do, but I was only able to put an aux adapter in place of the SAT radio (I also have the iPod adapter, though). The aux adapter has 3 ends, a left, right, and ground - the satellite radio also had 3 plugs, so that's what worked (there's a DIY on here somewhere)... It's weird the way all of the wires are kind of jumped together, you might have a hard time figuring out which ones are just the CD changer, good luck though

[JetTurbo]

Quote, originally posted by Wborolb88 »

I wasn't able to figure out how to add an aux adapter in place of the CD changer, that's what I was hoping to do, but I was only able to put an aux adapter in place of the SAT radio (I also have the iPod adapter, though).

And there you go, the Premium 7 does not suport BOTH aux and iPod.
The aux should have connected where the iPod audio signals are now connected.

Quote, originally posted by Wborolb88 »

The aux adapter has 3 ends, a left, right, and ground - the satellite radio also had 3 plugs, so that's what worked (there's a DIY on here somewhere)... It's weird the way all of the wires are kind of jumped together, you might have a hard time figuring out which ones are just the CD changer, good luck though

Others posted there was a problem with using the sat input
unless you leave the tuner connected and just swap the input wires.
Without the tuner on the CAN bus an error occurs.

Can you verify or clarify that?

[bostonaudi1]

Related question: my car is an option 0 2008 GTI that I swapped an MFD2 nav unit into for the Premium 7. The car has the aux port in the glove-box, but it doesn't work with the MFD2. It had no CD changer or iPod adapter in the console. Do I also need an additional cable, or does the existing cable from the glove-box need to be re-wired for the MFD2?

[JetTurbo]

Quote, originally posted by bostonaudi1 »

Related question: my car is an option 0 2008 GTI that I swapped an MFD2 nav unit into for the Premium 7. The car has the aux port in the glove-box, but it doesn't work with the MFD2. It had no CD changer or iPod adapter in the console. Do I also need an additional cable, or does the existing cable from the glove-box need to be re-wired for the MFD2?

Common problem when upgrading to Nav.
Existing cable from the glove-box needs to be re-wired.
Since the MFD2 DVD has more inputs than the Premium 7,
the aux is assigned to a connector that does not exist on a Premium 7.
You will need the connector to fix the issue.
Remove the three aux wires from their existing connector (pin removal tool needed).
Here are the VW instructions for adding a new aux input to a US MFD2 DVD,
it will show you where the pins go on the new connector.
I'll post back with the connector part number when I can find it ...

[tenderidol]

I have been looking for an answer for the use of 16GB iPod Touch (not the iPhone) with the VW iPod adapter in the arm rest, but couldn't find any clear answers. Besides the question of whether the interface works with the stereo, are there any physical limitations for the iPod Touch or iPhone in the arm rest mount?

The car is an 09 JSW S with the standard stereo.

Thanks!


Modified by tenderidol at 3:20 PM 7-29-2009

[JetTurbo]

Quote, originally posted by tenderidol »

I have been looking for an answer for the use of 16GB iPod Touch (not the iPhone) with the VW iPod adapter in the arm rest, but couldn't find any clear answers. Besides the question of whether the interface works with the stereo, are there any physical limitations for the iPod Touch or iPhone in the arm rest mount? The car is an 09 JSW S with the standard stereo. Thanks!

Can't help you much with that.
It is my understanding the iPod touch or iPhone doesn't work with the original iPod adaptor.
Aux may be your best bet.

Don't think this one will work with your model (wrong charge current, not enough clearance to close armrest)

My daughter has an iPod Touch, I should borrow it someday and see if it works / fits ...

[b0mb3r]

Quote, originally posted by JetTurbo »

Pretty sure there is a post in the MkV Forum FAQ and DIY Thread on how to use the nav aux kit it with the Premium 7. It is the same cable, but it connects to a different connector available only on a US nav. However, I would not be surprised if the EU nav install instructions are also valid for the Premium 7 too. They are completely different than the US nav install instructions and use the same connector a Premium 7 would use for adding an aux. Both EU and US nav install instructions are included in the kit. That is why both the EU and US connector are included too.

sweet

ordering the cable

[tenderidol]

Thanks for the reply JetTurbo. I've gone through many iPods in the past. I may just get a 4th gen Nano and drop it in there for my wife to entertain our kid

[JetTurbo]

The VW part number for the connector where aux should connect on a US MFD2 DVD
may be 7M0-035-727,
but you should not take that as gospel, seek alternate confirmation.
I do have that connector in my hand at my desk as I type, but it came in the kit pictured above.
No VW part numbers on the connector, just the part number from the connector manufacturer - AMP.

[tenderidol]

Just exploring the possibility of connecting my smart phone to the stereo system of the JSW... Is there an adapter/cable that takes advantage of the iPod connection and makes an AUX input? I understand that this will not let me control play lists, etc from the stereo unit, but it would be more than enough to connect my phone.

Thanks!


Modified by tenderidol at 4:19 PM 7-29-2009

[arismkv]

so i have the standard stereo on my 06 gli. it has sat radio and 6 disc in dash. will that part pictured up top work with my radio? if so where do i connect those 3 wires ??

[DZCad90]

I didn't get the iPod adaptor in my VW and I'm actually glad now.

I've got the iPhone 3G and an iPod classic. It's much easier to navigate music on the iPhone / iPod than it is to navigate it on the headunit, especially if what you want isn't part of a playlist. Plus, I can stream music from different sources and have it play through the head unit. With the iPod adaptor, I believe only music that comes out of the iPod application on the iPhone will come through. If I get the jones to hear a specific song, I can bring it up on YouTube and play it through the radio. Yeah, the quality isn't the best on a YouTube stream sometimes, but it beats having a song stuck in your head all day

Once I ditch the Premium VII for an RNS-510, I'm going to get the MDI kit and put the iPod classic in the glove box and just leave it there. The interface for the iPod on the RNS-510 is pretty sweet from what I've seen. You can access all the music on the iPod, and it's all organized just like it is on the iPod.

[JetTurbo]

Disclaimer - usually when I post I relate first hand experience.
That is not the case in this post - I have not added an aux cable to a Premium 7 myself.
(I do own the kit pictured above, but my HU is the Nav the kit is designed for.)
so the data on the Premium 7 is second hand - caveat emptor.

Quote, originally posted by arismkv »

so i have the standard stereo on my 06 gli. it has sat radio and 6 disc in dash. will that part pictured up top work with my radio? if so where do i connect those 3 wires ??

yes.
assuming you don't have an iPod dock or iPod cable.

refer to other DIY in the FAQ for HU removal.

Locate the 12 pin blue connector on the back of the HU.
it is inserted into a larger shell with other connectors.

VW pn 3B7 035 447 A

Cars with sat radio should have a blue connector in place
since that is where sat connects too, on different pins.
If there isn't a blue connector, then there will be an empty socket to insert one,
use the blue connector that comes in the kit shown above.

If the blue connector is present,
the following pins should be unused -
Pin 2 - CD- common/ground/earth black
Pin 8 - CD/L white
Pin 9 - CD/R red
BTW Turns out the EU version uses different pins for aux

The cable in the kit above has three wires
black - common/ground/earth . 2
white - right . 8
red - left . 9

All the wires are supplied with the proper pins crimped in place
and ready to insert into the blue connector.

You need to disconnect and disassemble the blue connector to insert (or remove) pins.
The outer shell has ridges molded inside that when slid in place restrict the pins from moving.
It is a simple disassembly, the inner black pin holder slides out of the outer blue shell.
There is a release tab on the open side of the blue shell
(red arrow is inner pin holder lock, blue arrow is connector to radio lock)

and a circular opening on the other side.

Pull back the blue release tab and push a small tool through the hole
to release and slide out the inner section.

You would still need a pin removal tool if you wish to extract pins
the shell is the primary pin lock,
the pins themselves have secondary locks.
Pin insertion does not require a pin tool.

Slide the appropriate pins into the pin holder section slots as indicated above.

Pin number identification?
Get a magnifying glass and a bright light and examine the inner pin holder
on the sides at the end where the wires goes in.
The end pins on each row / side are labeled (pin 7 and 12 shown in first pic - pins 1 and 6 shown in second)

When re-installing the black inner pin holder section to the blue outer shell,
note the pieces are keyed, if it does not want to slide in easily, you got the wrong end, flip it over - (spare me, please)
There is an arrow molded in one side to show you which end goes first (see above).

[JetTurbo]

BTW There is a newer VW iPod solution that works differently than my old original iPod dock.
I believe it integrates by managing / sharing the Sat radio port, including display of ID3 data.
Disconnect iPod and sat radio function is returned.

If this iPod solution is used, the auxiliary input is still available as described above.
(And if you have an aux, you won't lose it.)

Two different posts that mention the iPod touch with the new adaptor ...

New VW OEM iPod Adapter that Displays Text, Play 250 Playllists
9Schnell describes additional adaptor needed for iPod Touch charging - pics of his install too

Post by Bud@CheckeredFlagVW quoting VW description.
Seems to indicate it should charge iPod touch.

Quote, originally posted by Bud@CheckeredFlagVW - January 2009 - Ask a VW Parts Guy....U.S. Version - pg 56 »

"Volkswagen Original iPod adapter for connecting iPod classic (third, fourth and fifth-generation), iPod mini, iPod nano (1st, 2nd and 3rd generation), iPod photo and iPod touch. Only for the NAR market for cars with SDARS radio - radio 5.5, radio P7. Not suitable for navigation systems (RNS MFDII, RNS 510/310). The plug and iPod are installed in the glove box. Includes iPod charging station." I am pretty sure this is what everyone is asking about. The part numer is 1K0-051-510-A. Retail price is <Jan 2009> $230.00. I can sell them for <Jan 2009>$195.00 . reference: Ask a VW Parts Guy....U.S. Version pg 56

[Wborolb88]

Quote, originally posted by JetTurbo »

Others posted there was a problem with using the sat input unless you leave the tuner connected and just swap the input wires. Without the tuner on the CAN bus an error occurs. Can you verify or clarify that?

Good info JetTurbo, sorry I'm a couple days late, but I didn't have any problems at all using the SAT input, my tuner was in the trunk, and I didn't want to put the aux in there and ran a cable through the whole car, so I took apart the dash and switched out the SAT cables in the back of the head unit for the 3 aux inputs. Basically I did this

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3434653

But instead of splicing into the wires, I unplugged them and plugged them in the blue clip.

In terms of the iPhone working with the original iPod adapter in the center console, it does, only it doesn't charge, and again you have to use the HU to select 5 playlists

Quote, originally posted by tenderidol »

Just exploring the possibility of connecting my smart phone to the stereo system of the JSW... Is there an adapter/cable that takes advantage of the iPod connection and makes an AUX input? I understand that this will not let me control play lists, etc from the stereo unit, but it would be more than enough to connect my phone. Thanks! Modified by tenderidol at 4:19 PM 7-29-2009

I looked for a cable that would be a female to the ipod dock to female 3.5mm, but couldn't find one - I picked up an OEM aux cable and added it, and it works great

[tenderidol]

Quote, originally posted by Wborolb88 »

I looked for a cable that would be a female to the ipod dock to female 3.5mm, but couldn't find one - I picked up an OEM aux cable and added it, and it works great

Thanks for the information. I would be more than happy to purchase an OEM AUX cable and add it to the head unit. The question I have is whether there is an available input on the head unit (2009 JSW S), since the car already has the iPod adapter in the arm rest. I am OK to disconnect the iPod adapter and install an AUX cable instead. Is this doable? Thanks again!

[JetTurbo]

Quote, originally posted by tenderidol »

Thanks for the information. I would be more than happy to purchase an OEM AUX cable and add it to the head unit. The question I have is whether there is an available input on the head unit (2009 JSW S), since the car already has the iPod adapter in the arm rest. I am OK to disconnect the iPod adapter and install an AUX cable instead. Is this doable? Thanks again!

No, with the armrest media bay and iPod dock connected, there is not an available input for the factory aux cable on a Premium 7 - there is on RNS-510.
Yes, you could disconnect the iPod connections and replace them with the factory aux.

[tenderidol]

Quote, originally posted by JetTurbo »

No, with the armrest media bay and iPod dock connected, there is not an available input for the factory aux cable on a Premium 7 - there is on RNS-510. Yes, you could disconnect the iPod connections and replace them with the factory aux.

Since I am a new owner, I am learning about the terminology as well (i.e., the stereo system on the JSW S is a Premium 7 Well, after a bit of reading, Premium 7 looks like the head unit included with the SE models and up. Mine is NOT the 6 CD changer version. What is that one called? Basic 1?

Is it safe to assume that the cable that you posted in this thread would work with the Premium 7 HU? If so, for $35 (shipped) and a little DIY project, I might just get rid of the arm rest iPod connector and reclaim the AUX port. Now I need to locate the threads that show how to remove the HU and the iPod adapter

Thanks again!


Modified by tenderidol at 6:01 PM 7-30-2009

[Wborolb88]

Quote, originally posted by JetTurbo »

Yes, you could disconnect the iPod connections and replace them with the factory aux.

Do you know exactly what cables going into the HU are for the ipod dock? I couldn't find a wiring diagram anywhere, and couldn't figure out which wires actually were for the dock, that's why I unplugged the SAT

[JetTurbo]

Quote, originally posted by Wborolb88 »

Do you know exactly what cables going into the HU are for the ipod dock? I couldn't find a wiring diagram anywhere, and couldn't figure out which wires actually were for the dock, that's why I unplugged the SAT

Note, the old style armrest iPod dock emulates a CD changer.
The adaptor converts all information into CD changer commands for the head unit.
So to disconnect the iPod dock, you remove the CD changer connections from the HU.

Remove pins 2, 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.

BTW If after removing those pins you have a single bundle / harness leading to the armrest,
you would find buyers for it in the classifieds.

Here are all the Premium 7 pin assignments for the 12 pin blue connector
1 - Satellite radio tuner input, audio left
2 - CD changer, left and right port, audio Ground (GND)
3 - Satellite radio tuner input, audio Ground (GND)
4 - CD changer, voltage supply, positive, terminal 30
5 - Satellite radio tuner input continuous positive, terminal 30
6 - CD changer, DATA OUT (data exchange for CD changer control from radio system to CD changer)
7 - Satellite radio tuner input, audio right
8 - CD changer, left port audio, CD/L
9 - CD changer, right port audio, CD/R
10 - CD Changer, control signal
11 - CD changer, DATA IN (data exchange for CD changer control from CD changer to radio system)
12 - CD changer, CLOCK (internal test protocol for monitoring data flow)

[edward40handz]

helpful stuff here...

2008 Volkswagen Jetta Car Stereo Wiring Diagram

Car Radio Battery Constant 12v+ Wire: Plug #2, Pin #15
Car Radio Accessory Switched 12v+ Wire: Plug #2, Pin #13
Car Radio Ground Wire: Plug #2, Pin #12
Car Radio Illumination Wire:
Car Stereo Dimmer Wire: N/A
Car Stereo Antenna Trigger Wire: N/A
Car Stereo Amp Trigger Wire: N/A
Car Stereo Amplifier Location: N/A
Car Audio Front Speakers Size: N/A
Car Audio Front Speakers Location: N/A
Left Front Speaker Positive Wire (+): Plug #1, Pin #3
Left Front Speaker Negative Wire (-): Plug #1, Pin #7
Right Front Speaker Positive Wire (+): Plug #1, Pin #2
Right Front Speaker Negative Wire (-): Plug #1, Pin #6
Car Audio Rear Speakers Size: N/A
Car Audio Rear Speakers Location: N/A
Left Rear Speaker Positive Wire (+): Plug #1, Pin #4
Left Rear Speaker Negative Wire (-): Plug #1, Pin #8
Right Rear Speaker Positive Wire (+): Plug #1, Pin #1
Right Rear Speaker Negative Wire (-): Plug #1, Pin #5

CAN-BUS Positive Wire (+): Plug #2, Pin #9
CAN-BUS Negative Wire (-): Plug #2, Pin #10
Alarm Contact Wire: Plug #2, Pin #14
Control Signal for Anti-Theft System (SAFE): Plug #2, Pin #16

Telephone Muting Wire (if equipped): Plug #2, Pin #11
Telephone Left Front Signal Input Positive Wire (+): Plug #3, Pin #12
Telephone Left Front Signal Input Negative Wire (-): Plug #3, Pin #6

Satellite Radio Constant 12v+ Wire: Plug #4, Pin #5
Satellite Radio Input Wire (Audio Left): Plug #4, Pin #1
Satellite Radio Input Wire (Audio Right): Plug #4, Pin #7
Satellite Radio Input Ground Wire: Plug #4, Pin #3

[Wborolb88]

Awesome, thanks