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 Motive First Drive: 2009 Lincoln MKS« »

With the once-great Premier Automotive Group gone the way of ancient Rome, Ford knows its Lincoln brand needs to get a lot more serious. It also needs younger buyers from the generation known as X, or it will never fully emerge from the realm of "exit-level" automobiles.

Gen X is a demographic you don't often think of when you're talking about Lincoln customers. Its mere mention caused me to spit-take a latte during Lincoln's recent presentation on their latest MKS. But the mandarins in Dearborn are convinced that their new sedan has what it takes to get Gen-Xers' antennae all a-twitter...

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 Re: Motive First Drive: 2009 Lincoln MKS (features@motivemag) »« »

Driving by the dealer last week, this car was the reason for a second glance



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 Re: Motive First Drive: 2009 Lincoln MKS (features@motivemag) »« »

I really hope this car does well for Lincoln; however, I can't help but think of the old saying, "a jack of all trades, a master of none."






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 Re: Motive First Drive: 2009 Lincoln MKS (LuckyDogg) »« »

Quote, originally posted by LuckyDogg »
I really hope this car does well for Lincoln; however, I can't help but think of the old saying, "a jack of all trades, a master of none."

Hey, it works for Honda!

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 Re: Motive First Drive: 2009 Lincoln MKS (jwaters943) »« »

50 large for a V-6 Lincoln? NO thanks!



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 Re: Motive First Drive: 2009 Lincoln MKS (nonobvious) »« »

I love the commercial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i4HKBE1Lw8

Still, I can't help but think that Ford (Lincoln) always saddles their cars with subpar powertrains at their launch. This is a bad move IMO. The Zephyr/MKZ should have been launched with the 3.5l engine and this car should have been launched with the Ecoboost engine. The Freestyle/Taurus X, Escape, and many others also come to mind.

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It's not nearly as full of suck as I'd have thought.



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It's not nearly as full of suck as I'd have thought.

The glass of suck is half full



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50 large for a V-6 Lincoln? NO thanks!

..that has more power, better acceleration, and is light years ahead of the V8 Town Car. Granted being light years ahead of the Town Car doesn't say much..

If I was an older business man, I'd hit it.

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..that has more power, better acceleration, and is light years ahead of the V8 Town Car. Granted being light years ahead of the Town Car doesn't say much..

If I was an older business man, I'd hit it.

If you were an older business man you wouldn't be able to figure out "dem new fangled gadgets".



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 Re: Motive First Drive: 2009 Lincoln MKS (eunos94) »« »

Attended a dealer sponsored MKS event last week. They only had 2 pre-pro cars, so we weren't able to drive them. Still, it gave everyone time to pop the hood, play with the infotainment system, and enjoy the leather on the seats from Denmark. The THX system needs to be experienced 1st hand/ear. Wow!

The exterior was striking in person (better detailing vs. the auto show models), the interior was a huge leap forward for Lincoln, and the overall impression was solid. Cost cutting reeked in the trunk area (completely unfinished, just a thin layer of carpet...like an economy car) which had a small entry and reportedly featured rear seats that didn't fold. The old LS did, so we'll see about that.

Modified by TigerinColorado at 9:26 AM 6-17-2008



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I'd still rather have a new CTS. For 49k I'd rather have a lightly used CTS-V. Not being a GM fanboy, but if you want american, that would be where I'd be going right now.



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 Re: Motive First Drive: 2009 Lincoln MKS (chucchinchilla) »« »

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..that has more power, better acceleration, and is light years ahead of the V8 Town Car. Granted being light years ahead of the Town Car doesn't say much..

If I was an older business man, I'd hit it.

The horse drawn buggy driven by traditional Amish is light years ahead of the Town Car



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The horse drawn buggy driven by traditional Amish is light years ahead of the Town Car

ha at least the wood trim is real!!!



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This and the new mazda6 are huge steps forward in terms of exterior design. Hell the interior of the lincoln is downright amazing for an American car... between that and the CTS there may be some hope.
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 Re: Motive First Drive: 2009 Lincoln MKS (features@motivemag) »« »

do i hear eco-boost 3.7l v6 in the future stunning car

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I don't see any reason to buy this over the competition besides the fact it is HUGE for its price, as big as the next level of cars up (A8/LS/S/7).

And the ad showing the guy punching in a code is so 1980s...have they not heard or keyless entry?



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I've driven it...I liked it. It should be pretty competitive.



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I don't see any reason to buy this over the competition besides the fact it is HUGE for its price, as big as the next level of cars up (A8/LS/S/7).

And the ad showing the guy punching in a code is so 1980s...have they not heard or keyless entry?

A8 : Features and Specifications
Starting at $70,690*

750i Sedan
More power to the power players.
Starting at $76,800 MSRP

LS 460
Base MSRP: $62,900

S550:
MSRP $87,575*

So yeah, not even close.

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A8 : Features and Specifications
Starting at $70,690*

750i Sedan
More power to the power players.
Starting at $76,800 MSRP

LS 460
Base MSRP: $62,900

S550:
MSRP $87,575*

So yeah, not even close.

I was saying that the MKS is the size of those cars you listed for a much cheaper price.



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Lincoln MKS
3.7L V6
273hp
270 lb-ft torque

FWD

6 speed automatic w/ SelectShift

Lexus ES
3.5L V6
272hp
254 lb-ft torque

FWD

6 speed sequential shift automatic

The Lincoln is comparably equipped and really doesn't seem to be missing anything major and is a good bit larger than the comparably priced Lexus. I really don't see why many here don't seem to like it.



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You make that comparison as if anyone here liked the Lexus ES. I don't even think 1SICKLEX likes the ES.

That said, I think the MKS is beautiful. It's not my sort of car but it does look good.



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The horse drawn buggy driven by traditional Amish is light years ahead of the Town Car

Not even close...



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Not even close...

Right. The light year is too small a unit of measure. "Parsec" might work better here.

Seriously, dude, I like Panther cars, and even I can admit that the Town Car is outdated and woefully overpriced, and that it hangs around solely because it's a big favorite of black-car services and airport shuttles.

I eagerly await you to post some rote statistics that you think refute the point. You're kinda fun that way.




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Lexus ES Base MSRP:
$34,885

Lincoln MKS Base MSRP:
$37,665

Pretty close.



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Right. The light year is too small a unit of measure. "Parsec" might work better here.

Horse drawn buggy... Light years ahead... Right...



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 Re: Motive First Drive: 2009 Lincoln MKS (DenCo) »« »

Give it ten years and a boatload of depreciation and it might make for a nice used interstate cruiser.



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Horse drawn buggy... Light years ahead... Right...

Let me guess — when Mark Antony says that "Brutus is an honorable man" in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, you probably think he literally means that Brutus is, indeed, honorable.

Or would you not, since that wouldn't enforce this feeling of victimhood that you perpetuate in the forums?




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And the ad showing the guy punching in a code is so 1980s...have they not heard or keyless entry?

Honestly, I love the combo locks. Sure, it made more sense when it was easier to lock your keys in the car, but it's still a cool convenience.



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Let me guess — when Mark Antony says that "Brutus is an honorable man" in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, you probably think he literally means that Brutus is, indeed, honorable.

Oh my. Pwnage with Shakespeare. Is this a CL first?



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I'd buy the G8 over this anyday and twice on Sundays.



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I'd buy the G8 over this anyday and twice on Sundays.

Apples vs. Oranges



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Quote, originally posted by 1SICKLEX »
I don't see any reason to buy this over the competition besides the fact it is HUGE for its price, as big as the next level of cars up (A8/LS/S/7).

And the ad showing the guy punching in a code is so 1980s...have they not heard or keyless entry?

The MKS has keyless access/start. The keypad is a nice convenience feature. My uncle has this on his F350 and whenever he wants to get into his vehicle or have his kids get something out of the vehicle all he has to do is tell them the code without having to give out his keys. It comes in handy more than you'd think honestly. I know personally I've been out in the garage working on something and wanted to get in my car only to realize the keys are inside the house. Not a huge deal, but it's the little things like this that make a car IMO.

Modified by jwaters943 at 7:18 AM 6-17-2008

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Apples vs. Oranges

More like: Apples vs. Orangutanges

If you are insistent on comparing the MKS to a non-luxury marquee I think a more fitting comparison would be the Genesis. In which case, as much as I like the MKS, I would rather own the Genesis (more power, better warranty, nearly identical available feature content, etc.).

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Let me guess — when Mark Antony says that "Brutus is an honorable man" in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, you probably think he literally means that Brutus is, indeed, honorable.

Or would you not, since that wouldn't enforce this feeling of victimhood that you perpetuate in the forums?

No, I'm quite aware that not all things are meant to be taken literally and am also familiar with sarcasm. However, there's a point where hyperbolic exageration becomes tired and lame. Is the Town Car ultra-modern? No. Is it a horseless carriage? No, it's not really at that end of the spectrum either.



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