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 Motive Oracle: They Build Excitement? The tragic future of the Pontiac brand...« »

For fans of my last column, the one where I said Alfa Romeo has the ability to claim BMW's mantle of exclusive European performance, know that I've reconsidered. BMW has a bigger potential U.S. competitor than Alfa looming on the horizon. BMW needs to realize the serious threat that's coming soon from Pontiac. Yes, that's right: Pontiac.

Pontiac's in metamorphosis, going from a muddled brand position back to what it was in its heyday, when John DeLorean gave enthusiasts a real reason to pick Pontiac over a Chevy, Dodge, Buick, or Plymouth. "Pontiac Excitement" is coming back! It's almost time to "Get in your Pontiac and Ride" once again! The "We Build Excitement" brand is back, baby!

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For the first three paragraphs, I thought you'd completely lost your mind.



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Yeah. They sure do build excitement alright. But only to crush it all with no manual option.



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You know, I always loved the nice, clean lines of this Firebird model. So simple, so uncluttered... almost elegant, even.




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Damn it no. I'm just gonna refuse to accept realitly and go back under my bridge and buy a G8 and GTO

Oh and buy my brother's WS6 when he decieds to sell it.



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Has Motive been drinking?

Reads like some journo on a bender!



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Haha, for some reason, most likely having to do with how late it is, I thought the article said "They Build Excrement? The tragic future of the Pontiac brand...."



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Bah. Typical poorly-formatted hyperbole-heavy Motive gossip.


I hope . . .



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A few manufacturers are already raising such a huge stink about the proposed US standards that I'd be amazed if they are put into place as-is.

But of course I agree fuel economy is the #1 factor in product planning right now. When the market speaks this loudly, future fuel economy regulations are almost moot.



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Yes, it's Al Gore's fault that Pontiac is flailing about...



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Bah. Typical poorly-formatted hyperbole-heavy Motive gossip.


Quoted for the truf...



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I never bought into the notion that Pontiac had to be all RWD and V8-powered to convey a performance image. There need to be a few anchor models, such as the G8/G8 coupe, and Solstice which define the brand. Outside of those models there is no reason that performance can't be defined in the same manner that it is applied to Mazda, Subaru, Mitsubishi, or Nissan. Pontiac could certainly make the G6, G5, and Vibe the domestic equivalents of the Mazdaspeed line-up, or the WRX/EVO. Also, as it has been said before, I don't know why GM views RWD as an enemy to fuel efficiency. Nissan/Infiniti, Toyota/Lexus, Benz, and BMW have never made any mention of abandoning RWD in pursuit of improved MPGs. Weight, aerodynamics, and antiquated powertrains are the real enemies of fuel economy. GM's very own Corvette proves that a high-powered, RWD car can still return shockingly good MPG figures.




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This kid needs an editor. More matter, less art.



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I'm a big fan of the G8, but I think Pontiac's brand identity is stuck somewhere in the mid-80's.
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Because, for a given amount of interior space, RWD is an enemy to fuel efficiency.

RWD packaging takes up interior and trunk space, resulting in the car needing to be bigger. Also, transverse engines tend to have a smaller engine bay than longitudinal, increasing the length of the car.

Note the E30 3-series, E28 5-series, and A2 Jetta. The A2 has more room than the 5-series, while being about the same size as the 3-series.



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I would be all over a lighter, cheaper, fixed roof Solstice.
Lots of cars would get better HWY and EPA mileage if they had the Corvette's killer combo of torque and super tall top gear ratio.



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There's a car here and there that I like, but over all:
Pontiac Builds Excrement



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